• YappyMonotheist@lemmy.world
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    1 month ago

    It’s just nonsense for people who are too asocial and alien to the human experience to make sense of the world and feel better about themselves by having some sort of binary ‘strict goals’. You’re supposed to be somewhere ‘in the middle’ for best results: kind but not a doormat, confident but not arrogant, engaging but not domineering, etc etc.

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    30 days ago

    Alpha means “first”, it does not mean “wolf who fights other wolves while in captivity according to one study.”

    Do people not know this?

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    29 days ago

    I think “alpha” males appear naturally in some species, but not in wolves and definitely not in hominids, lol.

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      29 days ago

      I find it fascinating how oblivious people pretend to be about what our natural social hierarchies are, making fringe speculations ranging from proto-capitalism, over alpha male fantasies, to proto-communism.

      Maybe it’s too obvious, or too boring, but it’s families. Incidentally, happens to be the same for actual, natural packs of wolves.

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        29 days ago

        I find it most fascinating how they take (supposed) observations from entirely different animals to justify what’s happening with humans.

        For a mantis it’s natural to eat her partner right after sex. For mussels it’s natural to never meet their sexual partner. Obviously what’s natural for a mantis is not natural for mussels and vice versa. With that established, why would any of that have an influence on how humans behave?

        And to take that further, wolves, different kinds of primates and all sorts of other animals that people draw comparisons from are also wildly different animals from humans and what’s normal for them is not normal for us and vice-versa.

        And not only that, but even what’s “natural” for primitive humans has nothing to do with what we are doing. It’s “natural” for humans to live in small packs/clans in the semi-wildernis, not to live in a perfectly safe, air conditioned building, driving to work in a fast, safe, air-conditioned vehicle and then sit motionless in front of a screen in an air-conditioned building for 8-10h.

        Nothing of how we live is natural, and finding justifications on how we as humans work in “natural” states is misguided at best.

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      29 days ago

      Silverback gorilla has entered the chat

      Apparently there’s some disagreement about whether any of the other modern great apes should be included in the “hominid” definition, though.

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    Among dogs there is certainly the one dog that has the respect of the other dogs. The other dogs will happily wag their tail and show their belly. The ones that challange it will be chased away. I think each sex in the community has a ‘leader’ of their own.

    I think the equivalent in humans are charismatic individuals that command respect over their surrounding.

    People who self-proclaim ‘alpha’ usually lack charisma, are agressive, dysfunctional individuals that live in a fantasy. Noone respects them. They may see them as crazy and hence fear them.

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      You’re probably talking about literally the same: random dogs thrown spacially together where they naturally would avoid each other if they could. Which, in the modern days, they can’t. Especially not when leached.

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          30 days ago

          And? Of course there is. They’re also on a spectrum. Everyone is everything to some degree.

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    I know, not scientifically real, but you have to admit, there are in fact alpha and beta folks in the human population, both men and women. We used to call them type A and type B personalities, same difference.

    Anyway, I’m in some kinda weird half-and-half place. :) “On the spectrum”, if you will. Dominant in some ways, but not enough to stomp people out of my way, empathetic enough to be seen as a “good guy”. Whatever. I’m just happy I didn’t land on either far side. Can you imagine being a wuss and having dreams of “alpha”? The mind recoils.