One problem with hierarchies is the potential for abuse, now your boss is competent, but tomorrow your next boss may not be and then there is a problem. At the very least even a competent person makes mistakes.
And that is all assuming your boss became your boss due to merits and not something like “my father owns the business”(been there, was asked to write mobile app in Haskell).
I think it’s fair to say that it’s only voluntary if it’s put in place by some consensus (and can be taken away by consensus). Say you work at a coop and all of the leadership is elected and can be easily recalled, then it’s voluntary. Even if you like your boss and don’t want their responsibilities, you ultimately don’t get a choice in the matter.
I mean, its voluntary as i submit to it and even value it. There is too much work for one person to handle, so having a boss who sets priorities, and them having a boss who works at negotiating contracts and dealings to align his business segment to grow and fit inside his bosses view for the whole company so thousands of us can remain employed. Yea i dont want those roles and responsibilities (nor do I have that skillset) and i volunteer to be in this heirarchy
In this case, the hierarchy you’ve submitted to is the employer’s, rather than the boss. You can have successful hierarchies that promote good management, too. Not very common, though.
Some people seems to don’t give a damn about that and happily plod away under good, bad, horrible bosses. Not changing work, not regretting, no nothing. So that it doesn’t exist, excluding femdom, is just not true.
I just want to point out that trusting in someone’s competency and leaving certain work for them as you think they are better suited for the work… that is just no Hierarchy.
Let’s say, we have a man and a woman. They have babies and the babies seem to be able to fall asleep better to the song of the man’s deeper voice. The woman decides that she will let her husband put the children to sleep if possible. Did the woman submit to the hierarchy and her husband, or is she just efficient?
My boss (as in team leader, not employer) has earned the position by demonstrating better insight, and has the power to force me into tasks I disagree with. So yes it’s a hierarchy, an ideal one in this case as the positions are assigned on merit, but even if it wasn’t I’d still have the choice to submit to it, to avoid responsibilities or unpleasant tasks.
My point is that letting someone handle certain things and even listening to their advice is not hierarchical.
So the person written the comment doesn’t need a hierarchy to let their coworker handle organisational tasks nor do they need it to listening to their coworker’s advice.
So just because they like it that way, doesn’t mean they like the hierarchy nor that they want it, but rather that they like some tasks more than others and acknowledge expertise.
I am not saying that there is no Hierarchy. I just don’t think they want it, just because they like other elements in their cooperation.
Do you need a job to live? If not, then you’re free to refuse such hierarchies. But most of us do need a job to live, and so the choice you claim to exist doesn’t really exist.
The original statement is weird to me. Lots of people renounce agency, for example to exempt themselves from responsibility.
I have a capable boss, I gladly leave the responsibility of many decisions to him because I trust he’s better than me when it comes to that.
One problem with hierarchies is the potential for abuse, now your boss is competent, but tomorrow your next boss may not be and then there is a problem. At the very least even a competent person makes mistakes.
And that is all assuming your boss became your boss due to merits and not something like “my father owns the business”(been there, was asked to write mobile app in Haskell).
Yeah sure but saying that there can be no voluntary hierarchies still seems excessive
I think it’s fair to say that it’s only voluntary if it’s put in place by some consensus (and can be taken away by consensus). Say you work at a coop and all of the leadership is elected and can be easily recalled, then it’s voluntary. Even if you like your boss and don’t want their responsibilities, you ultimately don’t get a choice in the matter.
I mean, its voluntary as i submit to it and even value it. There is too much work for one person to handle, so having a boss who sets priorities, and them having a boss who works at negotiating contracts and dealings to align his business segment to grow and fit inside his bosses view for the whole company so thousands of us can remain employed. Yea i dont want those roles and responsibilities (nor do I have that skillset) and i volunteer to be in this heirarchy
I mean, you could use one of those FRP frameworks that compile to web pages, then use a webview, but eh
If I remember correctly there was some kind of a framework or a library, but fuck that… I left the company a few months later.
In this case, the hierarchy you’ve submitted to is the employer’s, rather than the boss. You can have successful hierarchies that promote good management, too. Not very common, though.
Some people seems to don’t give a damn about that and happily plod away under good, bad, horrible bosses. Not changing work, not regretting, no nothing. So that it doesn’t exist, excluding femdom, is just not true.
I just want to point out that trusting in someone’s competency and leaving certain work for them as you think they are better suited for the work… that is just no Hierarchy.
Let’s say, we have a man and a woman. They have babies and the babies seem to be able to fall asleep better to the song of the man’s deeper voice. The woman decides that she will let her husband put the children to sleep if possible. Did the woman submit to the hierarchy and her husband, or is she just efficient?
Having a boss is a good indicator that it’s a hierarchy though, friend ;-)
My boss (as in team leader, not employer) has earned the position by demonstrating better insight, and has the power to force me into tasks I disagree with. So yes it’s a hierarchy, an ideal one in this case as the positions are assigned on merit, but even if it wasn’t I’d still have the choice to submit to it, to avoid responsibilities or unpleasant tasks.
You are misunderstanding my point.
My point is that letting someone handle certain things and even listening to their advice is not hierarchical.
So the person written the comment doesn’t need a hierarchy to let their coworker handle organisational tasks nor do they need it to listening to their coworker’s advice.
So just because they like it that way, doesn’t mean they like the hierarchy nor that they want it, but rather that they like some tasks more than others and acknowledge expertise.
I am not saying that there is no Hierarchy. I just don’t think they want it, just because they like other elements in their cooperation.
Yeah, workplace hierarchies are a thing, and they are voluntary - nobody is keeping you captive at your job.
Do you need a job to live? If not, then you’re free to refuse such hierarchies. But most of us do need a job to live, and so the choice you claim to exist doesn’t really exist.
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Ssssh! Or you’ll anger the anarchists!