BurgerPunk [he/him, comrade/them]

well said.

This isn’t directed at you, by the way, I just used your comment more as a springboard to attack leftist inaction.

Totally understood, and happy to provide a springboard!

simply hoping and praying China will save us all and letting everyone else carry the torch of humanity forward

This is an interesting point. I agree that that we in a the US arent off the hook so to speak, and should organize, etc, exactly as you said. But to springboard off you for mement, i think its important for USian leftists to understand that the US is not the main character of the world. I don’t think that their will be a revolution in the US that leads the world to communism. I think the rest of the world will be leading us.

That doesn’t mean we should be passive, there’s still an important role to be played in the US and imperialist West - and as conditions worsen revolutionary potential increases. Its impossible to predict when something will be able to happen here so being organized is important. I just mean that socialism is an international project, and sometimes, particularly the “Western leftists,” talk like the West will bring about the “true” socialism and lead the revolution.

I’ve been thinking about this for a while, but haven’t put it in words yet so I hope that makes sense lol. And of course this isn’t an arguement for passivity, and I’m not diresring this at you or youre above comment.

I agree with you. But i aslo feel like when people complain about the state of organizing in the US, it doesn’t get acknowledged how thouroughly the left in the US was routed. Every org was infiltrated and compromised. Its leaders and members were assassinated and imprisoned. I’m not argueing against organizing of course, and there are good orgs today like the two you mentioned. I just think it should be acknowledged why we’re in the state we’re in in the US. It’s not because people read some books, and then decided to just allow capitalism to continue. An entire generation of socialists were basically eradicated here

It sounds like you’re just justifying not reading theory and projecting onto people that have. I wish the US only continued to exist because the people who’ve read theory were allowing it to. That would be a really easy fix

They’re the one true leftist

Please Xi, my people yearn to be forced to live like that

What are you talking about? How are communists supporting the “capitalistic” system?

pure western chauvanism

Edit: and you admit you, yourself haven’t read them!!! Pure Western “leftist” clown shit

I will admit, I have not read the source theory

Trust me, we knew.

If China failed US “leftists” would praise Mao every day

Sorry to challenge your little conspiracy theory based on 200 years of theory and praxis. My sources:

If China is comminist then why hasn’t it been overthrown by the CIA? Chechmate tankie

“Theory is a leftist conspiracy!” - @basiclemmon98@lemmy.dbzer0.com probably

Any claims that china is actually communist and it supports it’s peoples wellbeing is literally an American left wing conspiracy theory.

Chinese people that like their government are part of an American left wing conspiracy I guess

You’re a clown. Talk to people that live there instead of other USians

I’ll build the camps

I’ll fill them

I’ll, you know… the thing

they are eating from the trash can

in bad country, they won’t even let you kill yourself. Unlike freedom countries like Canada where doctors actively encourage it if you’re poor