• outhouseperilous@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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    4 days ago

    Fascists aren’t people in most of the ways that matter.

    They do have viable organs tho, if we wanted to address the shortage in an easy and ethical way.

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      4 days ago

      By dehumanizing them you’re no different. Treat your enemies with respect, they are human too, just dumb pieces of shit. Don’t lower yourself to their level. Be better than them.

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        4 days ago

        No, people who sherk their humanity, willingly and emphatically, do NOT deserve to be humanized. Yes, we need to remember they are humans, but they are terrible people who choose to be terrible. Only a fucking moron or a fellow terrible person thinks they deserve to be treated better than they treat others.

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          Whether they deserve it or not, I won’t dehumanize them; because I don’t want to become someone who dehumanizes others.

          I will certainly fight them, I will resist them, but I will not consider them anything but human.

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            Being a human is very, very different than having humanity. People need to realize these are humans … who willingly betray their humanity.

            They are literally and directly enemies of humanity, who need to be treated as such.

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              3 days ago

              Right - fight them! Resist them! But do not let them push you into being inhuman yourself.

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                3 days ago

                If even namecalling is too much for you, then you do not, in fact, understand how to defeat horrible people, let alone fascists destroying humanity.

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                  3 days ago

                  I’m not talking about name-calling. Go hog wild with that, it seems fairly effective.

                  I’m talking about dehumanizing them. Deciding that any means that will end them is justified. Treating them like feral animals. Harvesting their organs for profit, like outhouseperilous suggested further up. That’s what I’m pushing back on.

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                    While the organ harvesting is a bit much, you must realize how utterly asinine and inept being against violence is when the target is openly vile people who choose to betray humanity.

                    Yes, we must always keep context in that these people are bad because they CHOOSE to betray humanity, but remembering context is wholly different than deciding to go against proven means for defeating this hateful, anti-humanity ideology…

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          Tbh, I do agree with him that we shouldn’t dehumanize. Fascists are humans, who deserve to be put down. There. Easy. No dehumanization, and you can still say that they deserve bullets blowing their brains out the back their heads.

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          The thing is, I’m not pleading for their respect. I won’t get it. I just won’t lower myself to their level so I will not grant them the argument “see, they are doing the same”.

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            If you do not understand the principles of defending the humanity you love from the people who want to destroy it, then you are WORSE THAN USELESS. These people are actively destroying society and the very “humanity” you want to preserve… yet you still won’t attack them??

            You are nothing but a useful idiot to fascists with that kind of pacifist attitude… Literally. You are talking down others from action against the things you want to defend from… You’re actively a turncoat against the humanity you want to defend. Seriously, pathetic.

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              Who said I won’t attack them? Of course I would, and have. But within the law, without dehumanizing them.

              You call me pathetic, although I’m actively fighting against the far right, oppression and crimes against humanity.

              You, on the other hand, show you are just as bad as they are.

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                  They’re not, but is that an excuse to be lawless too? If the enemy commits war crimes, how are you any better if you do the same?

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                    You shouldn’t need an excuse to be lawless; laws are usually bad, and never good in cases where something else wouldn’t do the trick.

                    They’re a tool for the powerful to save face and appropriate progressive efforts when on the defensive, to divide us and keep us complacent when they’re on the offensive. They are the shield and sword of injustice. Not a fan.

                    Your conscience, fine. But laws? That is, at best; clown shit.

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                    oh but history shows they were

                    we don’t have to guess how this plays out, educate yourself

                    ‘better’ is for the strong and civilized, we are not strong in this mess and civil went out with Jan 6th

                    they’ve broken the social contract, they no longer deserve its protection

                    but it’s moot, this will go the same way it did in Germany