There are certain times when opinions are too vile. If someone says gay marriage shouldn’t exist, or that drag queens are grooming children, or that transwomen are transitioning just so they can win at sports, that clearly comes from a place of complete misunderstanding so ingrained that I couldn’t be around them much.
These are reasonably common positions even among the “moderate” right.
I think ppl stand behind labels and forget to think for themselves. I think thats the root issue, and the og post just misses it. I don’t like to be around others with that mentality, It makes discussing political issues pretty annoying.
On many issues I stand on the “left” or “right” side. For exaple social questions like LGBT I pertty much on the left, individuals should be able to live as they want. Or environmental issues like global warming, its pretty stupid to deny it. On the other side the green energy is important to me, so I am with the right side (For some stupid reason only right wing parties want to build nuclear plants, and aid the ppl to build solar pannels) Or the infrastructure questions, like more and cheaper trains over cars is conservative push as well (at least here)
I have many friends from different political views, and the most conservative is less racist than some of the liberal ones…
Question like birthrate decline is the most commonly dismissed issue in the left… I dont see why they are against policies that help young couples to start their family. (Even tho I dont plan to start one in the near future)
Some can think that the Abortion is murder and morraly wrong, yet admint that it should be available. Some can think that beeing gay/trans is unnatural, but be happy for their gay friend finally found theirs SO, or respect their new name (we dont have pronounces)
So yeah stop thinking about politic parties and start thinking about the questions/problems. And vote for the party that is closest to your ideal. For you maybe is the party that does not want to get rid of the ppl you care about, for me, cos I am lucky that no party wants to ban ppl, I can choose a bit more.
Also it is possible to contact your representatives and push them to better choices. Its not A or B. If you care, think and do something.
I obviously can’t speak for everyone but my assumption is that there is such fundamental disagreement that for many, even saying “agree to disagree” with certain people would be a betrayal of their own values.
Someone I know put it pretty well when talking about the idea of how accepting their workplace should be of people’s different political values. They said “If someone doesn’t think I should have human rights, I don’t want to work with them.” which I think makes the point pretty well. See also: paradox of tolerance.
someone who doesnt think you should have human rights isnt moderate though. there is such a thing as people who disagree with you but are not extremists.
That’s a good point. I guess things have gotten so bad I don’t consider those views to be held only by extremists anymore but maybe (and hopefully) I’m wrong about that.
If you don’t understand why you’re getting so much negative feedback, then I’d say you’re seriously lacking in either empathy or political understanding
why is this so downvoted? its saying extremism is bad no matter which end of the political spectrum you are on, which is true.
There are certain times when opinions are too vile. If someone says gay marriage shouldn’t exist, or that drag queens are grooming children, or that transwomen are transitioning just so they can win at sports, that clearly comes from a place of complete misunderstanding so ingrained that I couldn’t be around them much.
These are reasonably common positions even among the “moderate” right.
I think ppl stand behind labels and forget to think for themselves. I think thats the root issue, and the og post just misses it. I don’t like to be around others with that mentality, It makes discussing political issues pretty annoying.
On many issues I stand on the “left” or “right” side. For exaple social questions like LGBT I pertty much on the left, individuals should be able to live as they want. Or environmental issues like global warming, its pretty stupid to deny it. On the other side the green energy is important to me, so I am with the right side (For some stupid reason only right wing parties want to build nuclear plants, and aid the ppl to build solar pannels) Or the infrastructure questions, like more and cheaper trains over cars is conservative push as well (at least here)
I have many friends from different political views, and the most conservative is less racist than some of the liberal ones…
Question like birthrate decline is the most commonly dismissed issue in the left… I dont see why they are against policies that help young couples to start their family. (Even tho I dont plan to start one in the near future)
Some can think that the Abortion is murder and morraly wrong, yet admint that it should be available. Some can think that beeing gay/trans is unnatural, but be happy for their gay friend finally found theirs SO, or respect their new name (we dont have pronounces)
So yeah stop thinking about politic parties and start thinking about the questions/problems. And vote for the party that is closest to your ideal. For you maybe is the party that does not want to get rid of the ppl you care about, for me, cos I am lucky that no party wants to ban ppl, I can choose a bit more.
Also it is possible to contact your representatives and push them to better choices. Its not A or B. If you care, think and do something.
I obviously can’t speak for everyone but my assumption is that there is such fundamental disagreement that for many, even saying “agree to disagree” with certain people would be a betrayal of their own values.
Someone I know put it pretty well when talking about the idea of how accepting their workplace should be of people’s different political values. They said “If someone doesn’t think I should have human rights, I don’t want to work with them.” which I think makes the point pretty well. See also: paradox of tolerance.
someone who doesnt think you should have human rights isnt moderate though. there is such a thing as people who disagree with you but are not extremists.
That’s a good point. I guess things have gotten so bad I don’t consider those views to be held only by extremists anymore but maybe (and hopefully) I’m wrong about that.
Ni idea porq tanto negativos
If you don’t understand why you’re getting so much negative feedback, then I’d say you’re seriously lacking in either empathy or political understanding