I don’t see any of the other “soldiers” moving in to help here. Or are you talking about the random person that runs in? And if so, how does that prove in any way that the soldiers themselves aren’t trained to ignore fallen comrades? These pictures just make it look worse cuz his buddies literally just have to stand there and wait for someone else to rush in
Those aren’t “random people”. They’re literally in military uniform. What are the ones next to him supposed to do about it? Make a big fuss and cancel the parade over a common occurrence? In fact, this happens quite commonly across the world.
When I sung in a choir in primary school. we were literally told if someone faints in front of us during a performance, to ignore it and keep singing. We thought it was an over-exaggeration. Until the Christmas concert when someone literally fainted in front of us during it and we kept singing. Of course, the teachers then came and rushed to their aid and carefully brought them away. So during organised performances like this- it’s quite standard not to freak out if somebody faints.
Maybe don’t put a group of human beings in a situation where they’re constantly passing out then? Especially if they’re children, it’s wild that that’s the comparison you use. The issue here isn’t JUST that they’re expected to do nothing when comrades are in trouble (yes, even with trained help there), but it’s ALSO that people like you excuse it because it’s “the norm.” Like sure, yippee, they have trained help for when they pass out, but apparently they’re EXPECTED to pass out? Ok
By that logic we should close all roads because we EXPECT automobile crashes to happen, we should cease all construction and industry because we EXPECT accidents to happen, we should ban all sports because we EXPECT injuries to happen, etc.
I’m chiming in as someone who actually fainted during a choir practice. Our teacher cautioned us at least five different times not to lock our legs for that exact reason, but in the moment I wasn’t thinking, and I locked my legs. It happened only one time, and I was the only kid who fainted in the entire four years I sang in that choir. But oh, how inhumane of our school for hosting a choir recital (gasp!). It sure was evil of them to put us in a situation with a normal level of risk while trained first aid personnel were present.
I think maybe you’re just severely overestimating how much it happens. The other person used the word “commonly,” but you used the word “constantly,” and that is not the same thing at all. We have to prepare for the most common mishaps because there are inherent risks in everything we do. But I assure you, if people were constantly passing out in parades and choir recitals, we would stop having them.
Locking your knees causes more blood to pool in the lower extremities so less of it reaches the brain. It normally takes at least several continuous minutes of standing with your knees locked like this to faint. It sometimes happens when singing in a choir, or standing in formation, because
a) you have to stand in the same position for extended periods of time,
b) your body is consuming oxygen faster because of singing, a warm uniform, and/or hot weather, and
c) you may be so focused on your task that you disregard your discomfort and don’t even realize you’re locking your knees or feeling faint.
When I fainted in choir rehearsal, I think I was only unconscious for a couple seconds. I fell forward on my hands and knees and came to my senses at the choir director’s feet. I felt really flushed and clammy at the same time, almost feverish, and it took a few more seconds after I regained consciousness for my vision to clear. Basically as soon as I was horizontal and normal blood flow resumed, I started to recover immediately. But if heat stroke or other factors are involved, that might not be the case. I don’t envy that soldier being carried on a stretcher in that picture; I don’t know what kind of environmental factors or underlying conditions may have been involved.
I don’t know the details of the military demonstrations, but singing in a choir as a kid in front of hundreds of parents is exactly the kind of scary thing with no actual danger that can really help kids grow and conquer fears.
They’re not expected to. But it happens. If you have concerts, people usually pass out. That’s why you have trained medical staff on standby, no matter the event. It’s just that the military has an organised way of doing it… Because it’s the military.
Are these people ACTUALLY their military though, or just for show? I always thought they were just for show but I don’t actually know. Not that it makes a huge difference, just curious
So ignore the bigger problem because the already provided temporary solution might keep your friend from suffering permanent damage, after being put into a situation known to lead to this outcome.
I don’t see any of the other “soldiers” moving in to help here
It’s crazy how hard people miss the memo on this.
You are in parade formation. One of your coworkers collapses from strain. You do not help because your boss hazed you into subservience. This is fine because idk maybe someone else will be by to handle things eventually.
Fucking corporatist mindset on steroids. People are denuded of their empathy in their quest to perfectly follow orders.
I wonder how any one of these freaks behave in a torture blacksite when their bosses line up another round of “enemy combatants” for waterboarding…
We actually don’t know what happened, locking your knees can cause this as well. I’m not disagreeing with you, it is absolutely an unnecessary display with some archaic traditions. But calling the other soldiers “freaks” for letting the trained and available medical professionals handle the situation was unfair.
I don’t see any of the other “soldiers” moving in to help here. Or are you talking about the random person that runs in? And if so, how does that prove in any way that the soldiers themselves aren’t trained to ignore fallen comrades? These pictures just make it look worse cuz his buddies literally just have to stand there and wait for someone else to rush in
Those aren’t “random people”. They’re literally in military uniform. What are the ones next to him supposed to do about it? Make a big fuss and cancel the parade over a common occurrence? In fact, this happens quite commonly across the world.
When I sung in a choir in primary school. we were literally told if someone faints in front of us during a performance, to ignore it and keep singing. We thought it was an over-exaggeration. Until the Christmas concert when someone literally fainted in front of us during it and we kept singing. Of course, the teachers then came and rushed to their aid and carefully brought them away. So during organised performances like this- it’s quite standard not to freak out if somebody faints.
For some reason my mind replaced “faints” and “fainted” with “farts” and “farted” when I read this. Had to go back and re-read lol.
Yes the correct course of action when someone farts is to freak out and try to help them
Maybe don’t put a group of human beings in a situation where they’re constantly passing out then? Especially if they’re children, it’s wild that that’s the comparison you use. The issue here isn’t JUST that they’re expected to do nothing when comrades are in trouble (yes, even with trained help there), but it’s ALSO that people like you excuse it because it’s “the norm.” Like sure, yippee, they have trained help for when they pass out, but apparently they’re EXPECTED to pass out? Ok
By that logic we should close all roads because we EXPECT automobile crashes to happen, we should cease all construction and industry because we EXPECT accidents to happen, we should ban all sports because we EXPECT injuries to happen, etc.
I’m chiming in as someone who actually fainted during a choir practice. Our teacher cautioned us at least five different times not to lock our legs for that exact reason, but in the moment I wasn’t thinking, and I locked my legs. It happened only one time, and I was the only kid who fainted in the entire four years I sang in that choir. But oh, how inhumane of our school for hosting a choir recital (gasp!). It sure was evil of them to put us in a situation with a normal level of risk while trained first aid personnel were present.
I think maybe you’re just severely overestimating how much it happens. The other person used the word “commonly,” but you used the word “constantly,” and that is not the same thing at all. We have to prepare for the most common mishaps because there are inherent risks in everything we do. But I assure you, if people were constantly passing out in parades and choir recitals, we would stop having them.
Why the heck is locking your knees making you faint? How’s that work?
Locking your knees causes more blood to pool in the lower extremities so less of it reaches the brain. It normally takes at least several continuous minutes of standing with your knees locked like this to faint. It sometimes happens when singing in a choir, or standing in formation, because
a) you have to stand in the same position for extended periods of time,
b) your body is consuming oxygen faster because of singing, a warm uniform, and/or hot weather, and
c) you may be so focused on your task that you disregard your discomfort and don’t even realize you’re locking your knees or feeling faint.
When I fainted in choir rehearsal, I think I was only unconscious for a couple seconds. I fell forward on my hands and knees and came to my senses at the choir director’s feet. I felt really flushed and clammy at the same time, almost feverish, and it took a few more seconds after I regained consciousness for my vision to clear. Basically as soon as I was horizontal and normal blood flow resumed, I started to recover immediately. But if heat stroke or other factors are involved, that might not be the case. I don’t envy that soldier being carried on a stretcher in that picture; I don’t know what kind of environmental factors or underlying conditions may have been involved.
Extremely valid and important argument against car infrastructure presented as a clownish slippery slope
what other options works for moving one(s) of people hundreds of miles?
This is an example of the slippery slope fallacy. Logic would not take you down that line of thinking.
Slippery slope isn’t a fallacy. It’s a widely observed pattern.
I don’t know the details of the military demonstrations, but singing in a choir as a kid in front of hundreds of parents is exactly the kind of scary thing with no actual danger that can really help kids grow and conquer fears.
They’re not expected to. But it happens. If you have concerts, people usually pass out. That’s why you have trained medical staff on standby, no matter the event. It’s just that the military has an organised way of doing it… Because it’s the military.
Are these people ACTUALLY their military though, or just for show? I always thought they were just for show but I don’t actually know. Not that it makes a huge difference, just curious
They’re actual soldiers.
They do put on public displays, but they’re actual soldiers in the army. Their primary duty is as a guard.
they are not doctors nor qualified to help and even so, they know there is someone on the sideline who is the person to help in these situations
So ignore the bigger problem because the already provided temporary solution might keep your friend from suffering permanent damage, after being put into a situation known to lead to this outcome.
It’s crazy how hard people miss the memo on this.
You are in parade formation. One of your coworkers collapses from strain. You do not help because your boss hazed you into subservience. This is fine because idk maybe someone else will be by to handle things eventually.
Fucking corporatist mindset on steroids. People are denuded of their empathy in their quest to perfectly follow orders.
I wonder how any one of these freaks behave in a torture blacksite when their bosses line up another round of “enemy combatants” for waterboarding…
Literally the dedicated medical team monitoring everyone and equipped and prepared for this common situation.
I think his point is that intentionally putting someone where they are likely to pass out isn’t a good thing.
Even worse when you put them in wildly inappropriate clothing. And a oven for a hat. For… showing off.
And lastly, it should be noted that people (even young healthy ones) literally die from heat exhaustion.
We actually don’t know what happened, locking your knees can cause this as well. I’m not disagreeing with you, it is absolutely an unnecessary display with some archaic traditions. But calling the other soldiers “freaks” for letting the trained and available medical professionals handle the situation was unfair.
If they’re going to die from standing in the British sun for half an hour, the Army recruitment medical examiners really fucked up.