• mathemachristian[he]@lemmy.ml
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      What are you talking about the russians already lived in donbass which is why they voted to secede when the banderites started bombing them. Its not like settler colonialism at all.

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          But many do, and did historically, as it was part of Russia prior to the USSR.

          But I have a genuine question: suppose that the majority of people living in Donbass genuinely wanted to break off and become part of Russia. Should they be allowed to, and if so, what steps should they have taken to make it happen, in the context that the government banned major opposition parties that were sympathetic towards Russia? What are you supposed to do, exactly, when the country is moving in a direction that you disagree with and shutting the opposition out of the political process, after seizing power through force?

          A downvote is not an answer, btw.

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            It’s a complicated issue to solve, and I’m not the person to solve it but the Russian state’s approach has basically been in every single way wrong.

            The Russian ethnic minority and it’s treatment is a domestic issue. It is not a suitable pretext for Russia to invade a country, bomb schools and hospitals, and force Ukrainians into either a smaller portion of their country or to live under an ethnostate that does not represent them. Putin has naked imperial ambitions not just in Ukraine but also in Georgia.

            I’m now gonna block you, as I do everyone with pro-Russia views. Because anyone that can excuse Russia’s actions is not worthy of my attention.

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              the Russian state’s approach has basically been in every single way wrong.

              This is the nut of it and the thing a lot of folks seem to struggle with. The NATO fuckery in Ukraine notwithstanding, Putin thought he could raise the stakes in Ukraine through a full scale invasion. He was absolutely wrong to do so. He fucked things harder than a thousand pogroms in the Donbas could have done.

              The Russian ethnic minority and it’s treatment is a domestic issue.

              Okay, no. That’s not how internationalism works. You don’t look across the border at an atrocity, shrug, and say “Not my problem.”

              The Russian response could have been to open their own borders, build up relief on their end, and give Donbas residents a safe place to run and hide. But “sorry fuckers, should have been a Russian born in Russia” is as meat-headed as the folks who wanted to charge into Ukraine guns blazing.

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                He fucked things harder

                Last when i checked Russia is winning the war, its economy is rising, its economical bloc is gaining traction while the US hegemony crumbles and US vassals are in complete shambles (a lot of which like the liberation of Sahel is directly possible only because NATO is currently being uncovered as paper tiger).

                I would say it’s very distant from “fucking up”.

                than a thousand pogroms in the Donbas could have done.

                What a nice thing to say, pogrom enjoyer. Donbass is one of the genocides we will never know how bad they would get because they were stopped in time. And if it wasn’t, you probably wouldn’t even cry the crocodile tears, beacuse what’s a pogrom or hundred, right?

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          It’s Russians that live in the Donbass, not Poles.

          There are a few Taiwanese in Taiwan apart from Chinese,
          a few Australians in Australia apart from Anglos,
          and a few Americans in the US apart from Anglos,
          but there are no Ukrainians in the Ukraine.

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              No, they are fascist Russians who speak a different language because they hated communism and decided to turn their Russian dialect into a full-blown language.
              The Soviets decided to respect the language and cultural differences as long as they denounced their fascism.
              Plus “The West” is too vague a term to take seriously.

              If you’re from the US, you’re soon going to be familiar with such ‘fascist split-off “nation”’ like the ROC and Ukraine have been.
              There won’t be no lie low enough not to continue for them. US fascists will claim that they’re the true USA and later claim that they’ve never been part of the USA in history. Their lies go on and on until kingdom come.

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                Yeah, the famous communist hating “Russians” deciding to write in Ukrainian in the 1840s.

                Alexander II. banned any publications in Ukrainian. But yeah, totally just fascist Russians lol.

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                  Dialects have names. Go back further and you’ll notice the language starts out in Kiev, same as Russian, in the same era as the same language.

                  Again, if you live in the US, you’ll have this historical revisionism fun of fascism too soon.